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Personally I prefer the growl of a bike exhaust.
The arming of the Taliban is a result of short sighted, win at all cost arms support by the USA government during the conflict with the USSR. Depleted uranium projectiles....  There must be some slow learners still in this bunch because recently the Bush government signed up to provide a massive amount of arms to the Saudi administration........WTF are these guys thinking. Can anyone see a pattern emerging here. ?
I'm totally apolitical but fu#king idiots who continually shift power balances with major arms deals to deal with short term flash points are beyond credible belief. This approach is guaranteed to bite you in the arse. If anyone who reads this rant has the means to publicly question this approach please do so before these idiots get us all killed.
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Lenz, you cannot possibly think you have superior knowledge of all the moving parts of this situation, do you? If so, I'll not try to penetrate your arrogant proclamation on the matter. Apolitical my ass.  |
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are you sure they wern't shooting at us brits they normally do 
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That was only in the Revolutionary war, We shot beside you in the 2 big wars, and we had a small hand in helping you survive WWII. If they had been shooting at you, those guys would not be alive to talk about it.  |
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Personally I prefer the growl of a bike exhaust.
The arming of the Taliban is a result of short sighted, win at all cost arms support by the USA government during the conflict with the USSR. Depleted uranium projectiles.... There must be some slow learners still in this bunch because recently the Bush government signed up to provide a massive amount of arms to the Saudi administration........WTF are these guys thinking. Can anyone see a pattern emerging here. ?
I'm totally apolitical but fu#king idiots who continually shift power balances with major arms deals to deal with short term flash points are beyond credible belief. This approach is guaranteed to bite you in the arse. If anyone who reads this rant has the means to publicly question this approach please do so before these idiots get us all killed.
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Tribal/indiginous rebels have been armed by the larger nation states since the start of modern civilization. Does that make it right? Probably not, but the fact is that the nation state's troops cannot be everywhere all the time. Arming the locals who share your goals is a critical strategic practice. The big picture is that we know what the Taliban is and the type of country they invision.
So where are the USA's financial resources being allocated? Where are Europe's going? What has been the pattern of the last 50 years for percentage of GDP spent on defense for each?
Will Americans continue to lend political support to seeing their hard earned tax dollars go to weaponry instead of human services and infrastructure within its borders? Will Americans soon desire a more "European" social spending structure? Will America return to more of an isolationist policy as in the early 20th century? And if so, what are the implications for the world?
Again, if this happens, what kind of leadership can we expect from the Chinese, Russia, and India etc.? If this is a troubling thought, then I would suggest that the UK and Europe realize that there may be more in common with the USA and our way of life than the alternative.
This means action against rogue/fringe elements bent on terrorizing their own people and others. History has shown that "appeasement" only encourages more violence as it has proven to be rewarding.
This global chess match is ugly business at times and we will not always agree on how to proceed. But lets not wait to strengthen our alliances only after global crisis is underway. It's an open invitaton for (use your imagination) when the UK, USA, and Europe are divided.
A militarily strong Europe and UK allied with the US still remains the best recipe for maintaining and advancing human rights and liberty in the world. Something that many of us take for granted, but is unknown to billions of human lives. Don't allow the current nastiness in Iraq and Afghanistan poison the big picture. |
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I'm convinced there's no such thing as 'apolitical.' Everybody has an opinion, formed by reason, experience and surroundings. I'm amused when people are overly convinced that their opinion is more correct than others... especially when said opinion is verbatim to the publicised, populist rhetoricians of the day.
And in my travels, I find that those that call themselves 'apolitical' are often 'indoctrinated.'
To the clip... as long as the sound of that gun is directed at the 'indoctrinated' that believe in 'indoctrinating' civilians with their brand of 'convert-or-die Islam,' I love the sound of that gun!  (and I pray none of my allied brothers-in-arms, in this case, Royal Anglican Regiment soldiers, get injured in the process)
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| are you sure they wern't shooting at us brits they normally do |
Close air support is an everyday reality for the infantryman. It's not just brits that are right in the thick of it. BTW, this clip is mislabeled. Certainly not an AC130, but it does suck ass being an insurgent in Iraq.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj0xNBxafyw |
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| Certainly not an AC130 |
Are you sure about that? My bro-in-law (2 tours in Baghdad) says AC130s are doing almost all of the close air support in both theaters... and that's the flavor of heat they're packing.
Just wondering. 
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| Certainly not an AC130 |
Are you sure about that? My bro-in-law (2 tours in Baghdad) says AC130s are doing almost all of the close air support in both theaters... and that's the flavor of heat they're packing.
Just wondering.
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AC130 definitely are doing alot of it, but not in this clip. You can hear the Apache rotor blades as they come in, plus the AC130 do not fire rockets. No need, they have the 40mm BOFORS, and the 105mm Howitzer. The spookys are best at engaging large area/encampments, caves etc where the entire thing needs leveling and picking off the runners. Apache are better for urban, small cell engagement like in the clip. |
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Can't help wondering if the Royal Anglican Regiment is composed of particularly aggressive vicars? They possibly even still use canons 
However the Royal Anglian Regiment would be a completely different kettle of fish. 
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Amen to that
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Can't help wondering if the Royal Anglican Regiment is composed of particularly aggressive vicars? They possibly even still use canons
However the Royal Anglian Regiment would be a completely different kettle of fish. |
Don't know how they were named or why, but these guys were helping build village schools and essential infrastructure when they weren't fighting the Taliban (bent on destroying everything they built). "Nicey" died for this cause. Perhaps the "Anglican" surname is associated with winning hearts and minds? |
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Can't help wondering if the Royal Anglican Regiment is composed of particularly aggressive vicars? They possibly even still use canons
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Can't help wondering if the Royal Anglican Regiment is composed of particularly aggressive vicars? They possibly even still use canons
However the Royal Anglian Regiment would be a completely different kettle of fish. |
Don't know how they were named or why, but these guys were helping build village schools and essential infrastructure when they weren't fighting the Taliban (bent on destroying everything they built). "Nicey" died for this cause. Perhaps the "Anglican" surname is associated with winning hearts and minds? |
As Marshman said it's Royal Anglian
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